I warn the them that "We won't be able to help you if you can't agree on what you want, not just now but throughout your life together. Is this important enough to each of you that you're willing to make that strong a commitment?" They talk for a bit and then the girl tells me, "Yes, it's that important to each of us." "Do you both realize that this requires you to fully trust each other?" The boy says, "Yes, and we didn't talk to our parents until we were sure that we shared that trust." I ask their mothers, "You realize, don't you, that, if we find a solution that's acceptable to them, you too have to make some commitments? They've come with a hard problem, and there won't be an easy solution. They're going to need their parents help along the way and it may not always be easy for you either. You have to give them permission to get married as soon as they want that and it's legally possible without a court order, and they have to be able to depend on you to do that. If they're still in school, they're going to continue living with you until they are able to support themselves. Are you ready for that kind of commitment?" Their mothers conferred briefly, then the boy's mother said, "Yes, we said that we'd support them, and if that turns out to be harder than we expected, we still need to do it."

I ask the boy, "What is unacceptable about being a homosexual; are you revolted by the idea of having sex with another boy?" "No, that doesn't bother me, but everything else does." "What is unacceptable about being a heterosexual; are you revolted by the idea of having sex with a girl?" Yes. "Is everything else about being a heterosexual acceptable?" Yes. I ask the girl the same questions, with the sexes reversed, and get the same answers. "So intercourse, where it's obvious that your partner is of the opposite sex, is unacceptable?" They both answer yes. "But the kinds of oral sex that homosexuals and lesbians enjoy would be acceptable if one of you could just change which sex you were while you were doing it?" The boy answers, "Yes, but that's an awfully big if."

I tell him that we'll all talk it over and see if we can find a way. We soon reach some conclusions, and I summarize them to make sure we're all in agreement and my notes are correct. "If the boy is touching the girl's sexual organs, he needs to think of both himself and her as girls. If the girl is thinking about the boy touching her sexual organs, she needs to think of him as a girl. To have intercourse, the boy's and girl's sexual apparatus has to be in contact, and that requires the boy to think of himself as a boy and as a girl at the same time, so they won't be able to enjoy intercourse. If they are each touching the other's sexual apparatus, the boy will have to think of them both as girls, the girl will need to think of them both as boys, and each of them will have to concentrate on what they are doing to their partner and ignore what their partner is doing to them. The same applies with the roles reversed.

"If they aren't going to have intercourse, they need to go through puberty far enough for all of their sexual apparatus that makes sex pleasurable to be in working order, but there is no need for any part of their sexual apparatus that is only needed to make babies to be in working order. That means that their puberty can be stopped before their bodies have become too different for them to be able to accept each other as being of either sex." I ask the girl, "Is never being fertile acceptable to you?" Yes. I ask the boy and get the same answer.

"To have an acceptable life together, they are going to have to be sexually attracted to each other, both as same sex partners and as opposite sex partners.

"Does anyone see anything wrong with what I've said?" No.

Now that we know what is needed, we need to find a way to accomplish each thing. We talk over the problem of thinking of their partner as being of the appropriate sex and decide that will be easy. Again, I summarize to make sure we're all in agreement. "If they only have sex in the dark, they can't see each other's sexual organs, so that won't bother them. If they aren't having intercourse, but just oral sex, there's no way to touch sexual organs of the wrong sex. The major noticeable difference between their bodies by then will be that the girl will have small breasts, but we can easily have the boy also grow small breasts. Dressed as males with a top that doesn't show off their breasts, they'll both be able to pass as boys, and dressed as girls, pass as girls. They don't need to decide if the boy needs to have breasts until their next visit, and he might prefer that his are smaller than hers, perhaps about the size hers are now, although most of the girls think that a little larger will be better."

I ask, and everyone agrees that we've solved that problem.

Next we talk over the problem of thinking of themselves as being of the appropriate sex. That takes longer. Again, I summarize, "The boy needs girls' clothes and the girl needs boys' clothes to help each learn to be the opposite sex. To get their first such outfits, they'll need to dress in unisex clothing, except that their shoes and sox should obviously proclaim their true sex. One of their mothers will go with them and they'll first buy the boy some obviously girls' socks and the girl some obviously boys' sox. The next stop will be a self-serve shoe store, where they'll do the same with shoes. In the car, the boy will change to the girls' shoes and socks that they just bought so both of them are wearing girls' shoes and socks. The next stop will be a self-serve girls' clothing store, where they'll buy everything else for a very feminine outfit for the boy. Back in the car, they'll both change shoes and sox so both of them are wearing boys' shoes and socks. The next stop will be a self-serve boys' clothing store, where they'll buy everything else for a very masculine outfit for the girl.

"Once they have the appropriate clothing, they'll need to spend some time as two boys, some as two girls, and some as a boy and girl. Because a visitor can always show up unannounced, the boy must always be a boy when they're at his house, and the girl a girl when they're at her house, but the other one can be either a boy or a girl. It'll work best if they spend a week each way; one day is too easy. The pattern of weeks will be two boys, two girls, a boy and girl, two girls, two boys, a boy and girl, then repeat.

"When they're two boys, the girl can't just pretend to be a boy. They'll have to do boys' things together, and once they get used to it, they'll need to spend some time out in public as boys. If possible, that should be somewhere that they aren't likely to encounter anyone who knows them. The girl will have remember that she's a boy; she isn't just pretending. If she forgets, she's liable to walk into a girls' rest room and discover that boys aren't welcome there. The same applies, of course, to both being girls.

"If they're far away from anyone they know, perhaps on vacation, they should take that opportunity to try the final combination. They swap roles; the boy becomes a girl and the girl becomes a boy. This is harder than the other combinations, because neither has someone of the same sex to help. They'll be with the parents of one of them, so sometimes the father should take the one dressed as a girl and the mother the one dressed as a boy. If there is a good chance, such as riding carnival rides with an all day wristband, the parent should stay a distance away so the boy or girl feels alone.

"If they are on a two-week vacation with a lot of driving, they'll want to stay at hotels where they can relax in a swimming pool and a spa, but they'll still be able to check in and out in their sex-reversed roles, and only revert to their physical sex between when they put on their swimming suits in their room's bathroom and when they return and put their clothes back on or go to bed. They'll want to leave home in their physical roles, in case anyone sees them, so it'll probably be easiest to change roles after checking in at the first hotel and before checking out at the last hotel.

"By the time we see them again, they should each be comfortable being either a boy or a girl, regardless of the circumstances.

"Does anyone see anything wrong with what I've said?" No.

Next we talk about just when we need to suspend their puberties and how to do it. The boy and girl and their mothers soon decide that they don't understand enough to contribute, and they just listen and occasionally ask what something means. When we're done, I summarize, "They'll both need a GnRH antagonist to stop their gonads from producing hormones. That doesn't take effect quickly, so they'll also need a hormone antagonist for a few days to stop their puberties quickly. That will let each of them stop the other's puberty at just the right time. The boy needs to stop the girl's puberty a week after her vagina begins secreting a clear or whitish fluid. This should happen about six months after her breasts begin to grow. The timing is critical for the girl; we agreed to stop her puberty before anything that just contributed to baby making was functional, and she could ovulate in just a few more days. Her breasts will still be small, and we also want to keep them small which means that we don't want them to get the progesterone that would immediately follow ovulation.

"The girl needs to stop the boy's puberty a week after his first ejaculation. He needs to ejaculate as soon as his body is capable of doing it, not learn that from a wet dream about a month later. This should happen about six months after his pubic hair begins to grow. The timing isn't as critical for him, but we want to stop his underarm and leg hair growth as soon as possible. He won't have produced any sperm yet, his only sexual function devoted solely to baby making. His penis will still have a small girth and still be only about three-quarters of its full-grown length, making oral sex better for both him and his partner.

"Does anyone see anything wrong with what I've said?" No.

It's important to not miss those events, so we talk about how to accomplish that. Again I summarize, "They'll need to begin having oral sex today, giving each other at least one orgasm each day, and as often as possible spending the night together, having sex just before going to sleep. They'll each need to pay attention to the other's progress through puberty and the boy will need to pay close attention to the girl's breasts, decide when they are the size he'd like, and measure that size. They'll need to take careful notes with dates for everything, and we'll particularly want to know all the differences between the week before starting to take the drugs and afterwards. Once they've both been taking the drugs for two weeks, or earlier if it looks like they'll be more than six months apart in starting, they'll need to come back and see us again. That will probably be a little more than a year from now.

"Any time they spend the night together, they'll need to take a shower, or even better a bath, together and wash each other. That will provide them a good opportunity to notice changes in each other's bodies. They'll probably find that washing each other will produce sexual feelings in one or both of them, and they'll both need to encourage that. That means intentionally lingering over washing each other's erogenous areas, enjoying being washed there, and telling their partner what feels good and how to make it feel better. They shouldn't take things too far, but if they don't continue when they get in bed, they didn't take things far enough. It may take them quite a while before they begin to respond to each other; at first they will just be learning to accept each other's touch and they shouldn't attempt to rush things, just let nature take its course.

"During the week after the boy's first ejaculation, he'll be able to ejaculate more frequently than he ever will again; they shouldn't waste the opportunity to enjoy that. Many boys masturbate frequently as soon as they first ejaculate and learn to ejaculate too quickly to please their partner. The girl needs to make sure that this doesn't happen. She needs to practice getting him near to climax, then holding it off for various periods of time, so he learns during the first day that slowly is more pleasurable than quickly. They need to try intercourse and see if their bodies are willing to accept that, as long as they stop when they're getting near climax. If their bodies don't object, they need to try going to sleep without parting when they stop."

We talk about names, and how they'll affect their lives, and I tell the boy and girl to make their own notes about this. It's their responsibility to deal with their names. At some point, they may find it helpful to change their first names to ones that are commonly used for both males and females. Jordan and Casey as names, and Alex as a nickname, and less commonly a name, are some examples. If they want to do it before they are out of school, they'll need to change names and school districts at the same time. We're presuming that they'll decide to get married, and when they do they can choose completely new names. If they chose Jordan A Jones and Alex J Smith, for example, and they were shopping as two lesbians, they would be Jordan Ashley Jones and Alex Jennifer Smith, but if they were shopping as two homosexuals they would be Jordan Andrew Jones and Alex John Smith. As a heterosexual couple, married or unmarried, they would be Jordan Ashley Jones and Alex John Smith. They'll have plenty of time to think these things over and decide what is right for them, but they'll need to decide right away what to call the boy when he's dressed as a girl and what to call the girl when she's dressed as a boy.

I tell them that before they leave one of the older girls will teach them about oral sex and make sure that having oral sex with someone of the opposite sex is acceptable to them until they've learned to think of themselves as of whichever sex is appropriate at the moment.

The next morning, we meet again briefly to hear that the boy and girl had enjoyed taking a bath together in a large tub and examining each other's bodies for the first time, having oral sex, and sleeping together afterwards. Following our instructions, the one having the climax thought of the other as being of the same sex, and wasn't bothered. The one causing the climax was so happy that we'd shown them the beginning of the path to a future together that it was easy to do that for the other one and look at it as inducement to quickly learn how to change their own sex. Everyone is relieved and optimistic. I tell them to be sure to think about what they want in the future: when they come back, in high school, after they are married, when they are living alone and working, as they grow older, and when they are old.

They are back again; the girl started taking the drugs a few months before the boy. They are both certain now that they are sexually attracted to their own sex, don't like feeling that way, and don't want to have such relationships. Thanks to our advice, they didn't have any problem with oral sex, and enjoyed it. The boy didn't like having spontaneous erections and wanted them to go away because they made him want to have sex with another boy. The girl didn't like him having them either; she wanted to be the one to give him all of his erections. Also, she had similar problems with her body getting ready for sex without being stimulated, and they felt the same way about that.

It hadn't taken them long to find that they enjoyed sleeping together and didn't want to get out of bed and part after their last orgasms of the day. Their parents had soon arranged for them to always sleep together, spending alternate weeks with the girl's parents and the boy's parents. Each set of parents had taken them on a two-week vacation, and since such vacations are really sixteen days, they'd had a full two weeks living about twelve hours a day in a sex reversed role with the boy's parents, a two week break, and another two weeks with the girl's parents. They asked the boy's parents how they were supposed to get any privacy in bed together, and his parents said that they too would like some privacy. They could have their privacy while the boy and girl swam, then they'd swim and give the boy and girl privacy. As we'd warned them, it'd been hard at first, but after a few days they'd gotten used to it and enjoyed it. They learned that when a boy and girl were together, people treated them differently, and responding appropriately had helped them to learn to be the opposite sex.

Once they were always sleeping together, they were always bathing together, and the feelings that generated eventually led to them trying intercourse well before we'd asked them to. It had been easy for them to stop, stay together, and go to sleep that way, and they'd enjoyed it enough to do, usually during weeks they were a boy and a girl. We'd told them to try intercourse after the boy was able to ejaculate, so they tried it again then and tried getting themselves a lot closer to climax than they had before. They enjoyed it as long as they managed to stop before climax, but when they didn't stop in time and climaxed they didn't like that.

I start asking questions. "Are you still sure that you don't mind never being able to have a child?" Yes. "Are you ready to terminate your puberties at this point?" Yes. "Are you comfortable now with the boy also having breasts, and have you chosen a size?" Yes, about like the girl had nine months after she first noticed her breast buds. "What had the drugs changed?" For the week before they started the drugs, they had a strong desire for sexual gratification. That desire declined quickly after starting the drugs, but soon stabilized. After two weeks, they still wanted to have sex and they didn't have any problem doing so. "Did all the things that we'd asked them to do work?" Yes. Not everything was easy, but they were motivated and they'd gotten everything to work.

I ask the boy's mother, "Did you and your husband enjoy your vacation?" Yes, and they'd gotten some great pictures that they had to keep hidden. The best was the look on the girl's face when she realized that, for the first time, she was going to have to go in a men's restroom without anyone with her. Later in the trip, when they were all used to what they were doing, the pictures were all full of happy faces. Her husband had suggested to his son that she should get her face painted and then realized that she hadn't learned that aspect of being a girl. She told the lady who was going to paint her face to paint it in the way that best showed her true self. She was delighted with the results, which showed that today her true self was a girl. Her husband told her afterwards that he hadn't realized until then that his son no longer had a preference; he enjoyed being a boy, he enjoyed being a girl, and when he was a girl, he truly thought of himself as a girl. She told him that she'd noticed the same thing with the girl and that meant that they'd accomplished what we'd asked them to do.

I ask the girl's mother the same question. "Yes. We hadn't had to watch the kids suffer through the first few days and thought it was one of our best vacations with kids. No one had complained about anything. We also noticed that the kids really did mentally become the other sex. Before, we'd just thought that they were getting good at pretending, but on our vacation we had enough time with them to realize that they weren't pretending. Outside of the hotels, they never showed any sign of their true sex."

We have a proposal for them, if they think it's right for them. We'll remove the boy's testicles and the girl's ovaries and replace them with prostheses. This will eliminate the need to continue taking the puberty-suspending drugs. The prostheses will provide them with various hormones that can be adjusted to meet their needs. The boy will need a special form of testosterone to keep his internal sexual organs functioning. He'll also need enough other testosterone to keep him able to function sexually, but not enough to continue his puberty. He'll temporarily need a large amount of estrogen to stop his bone growth, and, by starting a female puberty at the beginning of stage two, it will also start the process of developing breast buds, which should be noticeable in about three months. As soon as his growth stops, we'll reduce the estrogen to just enough to keep his breasts developing. The only side effects will be a little more pubic hair growth and extending his problems with acne. When they are satisfied with his breasts, and we agree that about nine months after the breast buds are noticeable is a reasonable choice, we'll reduce the estrogen enough to stop the breast development and the female puberty that we've used to grow them, also ending his problems with acne. We don't want his breasts to develop milk glands, so we won't give him any progesterone The girl will also need both testosterone and estrogen, but a different balance. The girl's breasts need progesterone to grow larger and to develop milk glands, so we won't give her any either. We'll also need to give her steroids temporarily to stop her bone growth. Both actions to stop bone growth can be delayed if they want to grow larger. They reply no, get everything done as quickly as we can.

I say that we'll do some testing before doing anything irreversible. We'll give them both testosterone and estrogen and want them to continue having oral sex every day. We want them to try 69 every other day. The boy will have to think of himself as a girl and the girl as a boy when they do that. It'll be best if they do 69 before breakfast, because it'll probably bother them until they learn how to do it right. We want them to have intercourse on the alternate days. We want them to keep a record of when and why they engaged in sexual activity, any problems they have, and so on.

The boy asks, "Do you mean that we have to climax when we have intercourse?" "No. We need to know if you have any problems doing it, and if you do, we'll need to adjust your hormone levels. We don't need you to climax, we just need you to get close enough to climax to know that it'll happen if you don't stop. Stopping anywhere from two minutes to ten seconds before climax will meet our needs. Do you know what to do if one of you is close and the other isn't?" No. "Then one of the girls will teach you some ways to do that. If you get good enough to do it, five to ten seconds after you start breathing rapidly is the ideal time to stop. You'll have gotten as much pleasure as you can safely get from intercourse and close enough that you would have soon climaxed if you'd continued."

The girl asked, why 69? "Because, once they learn how to get simultaneous orgasms, both same sex and opposite sex couples like it, although many dislike it before then and stop trying. You're a very different case, and we want to know if you like it or not, and why. We're reasonably certain that you'll like it. You'll find it easier if you start with a very long French kiss and don't switch to 69 until both of you bodies are demanding it. Later, you'll be able to stimulate each other's nipples, and that may work better than a French kiss."

Once everyone is satisfied, their gonads are replaced with prostheses and their hormones adjusted again. They say that getting rid of the boy's spontaneous erections has also stopped him from getting an erection when he gives the girl a orgasm. Before, his own arousal had interfered with his enjoyment of first bringing her to orgasm and then his enjoyment of her orgasm. Now he can bring her to orgasm without that distraction. Also, she can now enjoy making him ejaculate and swallowing his semen without being distracted by her own arousal.

They still aren't sure about 69. They'd disliked it at first, just as they disliked climaxing during intercourse, but they'll keep trying until they learn how to do it right and see how they like it then. They know that they have to totally ignore what their partner is doing to them until they feel their partner's orgasm begin, then continue what they are doing without change but stop thinking and just enjoy the sensations. They'd been surprised at how hard it was for them to concentrate on what they were doing to their partner and how easy it was to get distracted by what their partner was doing to them.

They are back for a checkup again now that their hormone levels have finally been left constant for two years. They eventually learned how to do 69 right, and found that, done right, they enjoyed it. When their climaxes had both begun, they could have been homosexuals, lesbians, or heterosexuals; they weren't thinking and it didn't make any difference. As the pleasure faded and rational thought returned, they realized that they had at last enjoyed a heterosexual climax. If they're in a hurry, such as a quickie before breakfast, they do it to save time. If they've gone to bed early and have the time and energy, they sometimes keep each other near climax for one to two hours before ending with simultaneous climaxes which have been made stronger and longer than usual by their sexual organs being kept constantly ready for climax for so long. They go to sleep quickly afterwards and usually wake up still feeling sexually satisfied, but often with a need to cuddle before they get up.

They realized that 69 could be done by same or opposite sex partners and that what they did was the same as a heterosexual couple would do, but they couldn't think of themselves that way and still do it. They were able, however, to look at intercourse as a heterosexual act appropriate for the married couple that they planned to be, and it strengthened that sexual bond, but they still wanted to stop short of climax. They'd learned that, on the rare occasions that they didn't stop in time and one or both of them climaxed, they needed to stay together and wait out the boy's refractory period, then do it again right. They weren't sure why that kept their mistake from bothering them, but it did. They took advantage of that to practice getting closer to climax before stopping and found that the closer they were when they stopped, the stronger the feelings they had for each other afterwards.

Afterwards they sometimes stopped and stayed together because they enjoyed the ensuing hour of gradually fading sexual feelings and sometimes they then got themselves near climax again. In any case, they either finished with 69 or went to sleep.

They're happily married now, and can still pass as twelve-year-olds when the mood strikes them. They liked the idea of being able to pass for lesbians, homosexuals, an unmarried couple with either their true or swapped sexes, yet also able to prove that they are a married couple.

On their wedding night, they decided that they were expected to behave like a heterosexual couple, at least some of the time, and that their bodies needed to learn to accept them having intercourse and intentionally continuing to climax. It worked very well that night and the next, but gradually changed to unacceptable after that. It took them a while to figure out the new rule. They can have heterosexual, homosexual, and lesbian sex, but all three have to get enough sex to be satisfied. They also tried heterosexual oral sex, including 69, and all were acceptable.

We told them that they were now trisexual, but unlike married bisexuals, didn't have to stray to fulfill their needs.

They are fully satisfied now that we've solved the problem they brought us so long ago that the youngest girl here then is now the oldest. We hadn't been able to offer them an easy solution, but they hadn't expected one and the life they're living now is well worth the effort it took them to achieve it.