Today we've got Joseph, his wife, Jessica, and their three daughters: Audrey is twelve, Brittany is ten, and Courtney is eight. Heather asks his wife to start telling their story.

Jessica says, "I caught Joe having sex with Brittany." Heather asks Brittany, "Was it the first time he'd done it?" "No." "About how many times has he done it?" "About twice a week since he stopped doing it with Audrey."

Heather asks Audrey, "How long ago was that?" "About six months." "Why did he stop having sex with you?" "He said that my breasts were starting to develop and that if we continued much longer I might get pregnant. He said that it was time that he switched to Brittany." "Why didn't you tell anyone what he was doing?" "Because I enjoyed it and didn't realize that she didn't."

Heather asks Jessica, "What happened next?" "I had to think. I didn't want to get rid of my husband, but I also didn't want him to continue raping our daughters. Once I realized that Audrey liked having sex with him, I realized that he might switch back to her, get careless, and get her pregnant. I knew about the birth defect problems with father-daughter incest and wasn't willing to let that happen. I decided that protecting my daughters was more important than having what I wanted. I told my husband that I had two choices: Get him sent to jail or get him castrated. Which did he prefer? He said castration."

Heather explains to Jessica, "It's a bit more complicated than that. Castrating him is the easy part. At that point, his remaining sexual organs are still functional. We have to decide several things, and some of them you can answer. After your girls leave home, do you want to be able to have sex with him?" "Yes, if there's a way to keep him from having sex with them before that." "Are you willing to wait until then to have him able to have intercourse with you?" "Yes, that's better than breaking up our home. Audrey and Courtney still love him, and I don't want to hurt them."

Heather asks me, "Becky, you're on your second year of working with married men. If he chooses you, what will you do?" I start listing things: "I'll evaluate him after we get done here and while I do that I want someone to educate his wife and daughters about everything that's inside his scrotum. Jessica can enjoy Joe for the rest of the day and night. He won't get anything to eat tomorrow until I've castrated him. After she's eaten breakfast, Jessica can have sex with him tomorrow, and I'll tell her when he can't have any more water until I've castrated him. I want her to get him to ejaculate quickly as many times as she can after that to make him thirsty enough that he wants to stop and be castrated.

"I'll take them to where we do the castrations, and his three daughters need to meet us there. I want his wife and daughters to feel carefully what's inside his scrotum and tell me what they feel. I'll expect them to identify everything that can easily be felt from the outside. I want them to watch me castrate him and understand just what I'm doing. I want them to talk to him and me while I'm castrating him, and to ask questions every time they don't understand something. I'll have to be slower than usual so there's time for each of his daughters to look at what I'm doing, I don't want any of them to miss anything.

"I'll give one of his testicles to Audrey to help her remember that she enjoyed what they did together. Incest is illegal, but in her case it wasn't harmful and I don't want her to feel guilty for enjoying it. I'll give his other testicle to Brittany to help her remember that it was the large amount of testosterone that his testicles made that made him want to have sex with her. She needs to feel safe knowing that he doesn't have his testicles making testosterone anymore. I'll replace them with prostheses, and I want the girls to know that they will give him just enough testosterone to keep his sex organs in working order so Jessica can enjoy them again after his daughters have grown up and left home. I'll give Jessica a control for the prostheses so she can make minor adjustments as needed and I'll teach her how to use it."

I have more to say about Joe. "I want Joe to tell us about any semen he has stored anywhere, to have it destroyed, and to stay here until its destruction has been confirmed. I want him to agree never to adopt a child. I won't let him leave until he's incapable of both erection and ejaculation. I want him to agree to have oral sex with Jessica whenever she wishes, even though she'll be unable to give him any pleasure in return for about ten years. He needs to remember that when his ability to enjoy sex again is restored, Jessica will remember the pleasure he gave her and she'll begin to repay that debt."

I ask Heather, "Did I miss anything?" "Yes, something critical. What you intend to do may result in his prostate having to be removed before the girls leave home. You're leaving his body producing semen, but you aren't doing anything to remove it. Wet dreams take care of that in young men, but by his age it's normally done by having an active sex life or masturbating. You're taking both of those away from him. The result will probably be that the ducts in the prostate will get clogged.

"You'll have to teach Jessica how to do a prostate massage, and you need to do that before you do anything to interfere with Joe's sexual functioning and while there is time for her to try more than once if she needs to. Don't forget, though, that you don't have to empty his prostate when you're teaching her. Just a little flow is enough for her to know she's doing it right. You should also teach the same thing to Audrey; there's a sexual bond between them and she may want to do it and Jessica may not be in the mood to do it. Since it's needed medical treatment, it's legitimate for Jessica to do it, even though they'll both enjoy it.

"There are three ways to do it. If his penis is stimulated during the massage, he'll have an orgasm and ejaculate. Jessica can use that to give him the sexual pleasure that you didn't think she could give him. If his penis isn't stimulated, then the semen dribbles out and it takes longer to get it all out. It feels good, but he doesn't have an orgasm. That's the medical way, of course. If, in addition, his penis is surrounded by ice and he isn't allowed to see the end of it, he won't even be able to tell when the semen dribbles out. That's the sadistic way.

"He needs to be given a massage at least once a month; every two weeks will be better from the medical standpoint. If Jessica and Audrey both want to do it and don't want to think about the other one doing it, then Jessica should do it at the beginning of each month and Audrey at the middle of each month. Of course, if it's being done to maintain a sexual bond it'll be done more often than that, but that isn't any of our business.

"You also forgot that you'll need to demonstrate the action of the cremaster muscle before you give him any anesthetics."

I ask Joe, "Are you willing to agree to all this?" Yes. I ask Jessica, "Are you willing to agree to all this?" Yes. I said to Audrey, "Are you willing to agree to all this?" "Yes, but are you suggesting that I should maintain a sexual bond with my father or do you just mean that to apply to my mom?"

To answer that I ask, "When you were having sex with your father, did you just share a sexual bond, or did it also strengthen the emotional bond between you?" "The emotional bond became much stronger." "Did that go away when the sex ended, or is it still strong?" "It's still strong." "Are you doing non-sexual things together to maintain it that you didn't do before you first started having sex with him?" "Yes, we started spending more time together soon after the sex started and that didn't stop when the sex stopped."

I explained, "All of you have to remember that we're here because something went wrong between Joe and Jessica that caused Joe to resort to incest. That usually happens because the father doesn't have a satisfactory sex life with his wife, but in this case it's clear that he also doesn't have a satisfactory emotional life with her and has been getting that from you, Audrey. When he started worrying about getting you pregnant, he used Brittany for his sexual needs but continued to use you for his emotional needs. We're fixing things so Joe can't get anyone pregnant, can't rape any of his daughters, and won't have a satisfactory sex life for years. That will protect your sisters, but all of you still need a stable home and that means, at least for now, that you, Jessica, are going to have to continue to provide emotional support to your father.

"As for the prostate massage, that's between you and your father and it's best if no one knows what you decide. I suspect that your mother knew long ago that your father was getting sex from someone other than her and she would have known that someone was you if she wanted to know. She didn't say anything to you, which leads me to believe that she didn't want to know. She won't want to know about the prostate massage either. That works the other way too; if you're smart, you won't want to know what your mother is doing with your father.

"Ideally, you and your parents will find some way to get your mother to supply your father's needs again, but it won't be easy and we don't live in an ideal world. Right now there's going to be a major upheaval in your father's life and his relationships with you and Courtney will be the only stable things he has. That means that, like it or not, you're the only one who has the power to determine what happens and you're going to have to use that power wisely. Have I explained things well enough for you to decide what you're going to do?" "I think it's more what I have to do, but yes, I understand things better now. You're telling me not to rock the boat right now but that no one else is in a position to continue controlling it and I'd better get it under control as quickly as I can." I laughed and said, "That's a good way of putting it."

I tell Joe, "I'd like to be the one to do all of this, but I'm not the only girl here. If you want one of the other ones to be the one to do all of it, you can choose her instead. If you can't make up your mind, you might want to ask us some questions before deciding."

Joe asks, "Does anyone know any reason why I shouldn't choose Becky?" and no one speaks up. He says, "OK, Becky, consider yourself chosen." I ask, "Heather, are we done now?" and she says, "You and Joe can leave." I stand up, take his hand, say, "Let's get the evaluation done," and lead him away. As we leave, I hear Heather ask, "Who wants to give the anatomy lesson?"

I worried about how Joe's daughters were going to react when I started castrating him. I've had wives get upset, and even faint, but his daughters didn't have a problem with it. They ask so many questions that Jessica complained that we were going to be there all night. I told the girls that I'd taken a long nap that day and so had they; I could take all night if they needed me to. I'd told them to ask as many questions as they needed to ask to understand what I was doing, and I still meant it. They didn't need to worry about their mom and dad. They'd be able to stay awake.

I watched everyone's interactions during the castration and I could see that I was going to have to talk to Joe, Jessica, and Audrey frequently. Without any help, my guess was that in a year or two the Joe and Audrey would move out together.

When his castration was finished, Joe and Jessica were exhausted because they hadn't gotten much sleep the night before and their daughters and I were tired, but we all needed food and drink even more than sleep. After Joe and Jessica left for their room, I took their daughters to my room to answer any questions that they didn't want to ask in front of their parents. We all wound up in bed together; they were too tired to find their way back to their room and I was too tired to take them. The next morning, no one could find them, but they knew they had to be somewhere. We had a secure facility; there was no way they could have left without signing out. Not even the governor gets away with that.

When we finally woke up, we had a late breakfast and Brittany and Courtney went to their room. Audrey stayed to talk with me. She said, "You asked Brittany how long our father had been having sex with her. Why didn't you ask me how long my father had been having sex with me?" "Because you said that you liked it, and I took that to mean that it was consensual. I don't have any objections to consensual sex unless there is a risk of a child being born from incest. I didn't want anyone, especially your mother, to know the answer. It wasn't anyone's business."

I told her, "On the surface it looked like no one had been upset over watching your father's castration, but some people learn how to hide feelings. I thought it might have been harder on you than anyone else. Am I right?" Audrey replied, "I think you're right that the others weren't upset. I was upset and you're right, I did my best to hide it. I wasn't upset at anyone; I understood why my mother had given my father the choice of castration or prison and I thought that he'd made the right choice. It was just that I liked my father the way he'd been and I knew that I wouldn't like the changes castration would make in him. I'd talked to my father about the possibility of our moving out and him looking for a new wife, and he'd been considering it but hadn't found a way to afford a divorce and the resulting child support. Now there won't be a new wife because he won't want one without being able to have a child with her and his new hormone levels will make him more placid and less likely to leave."

I told her, "Audrey, if your parents get a divorce and your father doesn't ask for visitation rights with Brittany and Courtney, you could leave with him and we'd transfer the control to you. You could adjust his hormone levels to something more acceptable to you. The problem that you and your father would have to face is that you'd be tempted to return to your sexual relationship now that he couldn't get you pregnant. Your mother would be doing her best to catch you at that; she'd be mad at both of you and looking for revenge.

"What I did was paid for by the state; your parents only expense was getting here and back. Frequently a family has higher than usual expenses before a divorce, sometime because one spouse has been spending money on an affair and the other one notices the expenses and gets a divorce. I assume that your father didn't find you to be a high-maintenance woman." "No, that's more Brittany's style." "You and your father do realize, don't you, that if the two of you leave together, he'll only be paying child support for two children, not three?" "I didn't think of that, and I don't think he did either." "Also, if your mom gets a job, and she will probably need to get one, she could have to pay child support for you. Your dad will need a good divorce attorney, but a divorce could be a lot more affordable than he thinks." "Thanks for the advice."

I showed Audrey how to use my control. She wouldn't be able to change anything, but she could look at things. If she and Joe moved out and she took the control with her, I could easily give her the ability to change things. I gave her access to the secure message features, which were essentially a private e-mail system and told her not to tell anyone, even members of her family, that the control had those features. She said that this was my control, not her mom's control. How could it recognize her? Because, as I just told you to keep secret, they talk to each other. If she told me that her parents got a divorce or legal separation and her father got custody of her or visitation rights, then I'd verify that, give her the ability to make changes, and lock out her mother entirely. I hoped that it didn't come to that, but if it did, she needed to know her options.

Audrey asked, "Why does it sound like you think my father might be better off with me than my mother? "Because you love him and I think that your mother only wanted to keep him because he's a good breadwinner, she thought she needed a husband, and she thought that you and Courtney would be upset if he left. When I asked her if she was willing to wait until her girls left home to have intercourse with him again, she was supposed to answer no, not yes.

"Your mother didn't even ask if there were any alternatives to what I proposed. If she loved her husband, she would have asked. There were other ways I could have protected Brittany and Courtney, but they weren't foolproof and some weren't reversible. What I did had the advantage that if your father left your mother everything could be returned to normal except that he wouldn't be able to have children unless he used his sperm that were stored in the state's sperm bank."

Audrey said, "What! I distinctly heard you insist that any sperm he had banked had to be destroyed." "Yes, I said that for your mother's benefit. What I didn't tell her, or your father, was that I was required, as part of my evaluation of anyone who'd asked to be castrated, to collect a sperm sample. The state has a sperm bank for castrated sexual offenders located in this facility, and the sample must be checked for an acceptable sperm count and sperm mobility, frozen, and stored before the person can be castrated." She said, "You deliberately misled both my parents." I replied, "No, they were given a stack of papers to read and sign that specifically mentioned the mandatory collection of sperm for the state sperm bank. I just depended on both of them getting tired of reading and skipping that part."

Audrey was still unhappy. "So he can have more children if he remarries, but he doesn't know that and I presume that I'm not to tell him that. What good does that do him." "It does him a lot of good. He shouldn't be looking for a new wife until he gets a divorce or legal separation, and when he does get that, you can tell him what he needs to know. I assume that you realize that he can't use the sperm to get you pregnant; there is too much risk of a birth defect to allow that." "How high is the risk? I think I remember seeing 10 percent mentioned." "That's for first cousins and is why most states don't allow first cousin marriages. There's over a 50 percent chance of at least one noticeable deleterious birth defect for father-daughter or brother-sister offspring." "Ouch. That's definitely too high to risk. Now I understand why people get so upset over incest and why my father stopped having sex with me earlier than I thought he needed to."

I brought Joe in and taught Audrey how to use the control. He asked, "Why are you teaching Audrey; that's Jessie's job." I said, "Because incest doesn't happen if there aren't problems between husband and wife. Audrey is for emergency backup and can grab the control and run if she has to. Make sure you have a secret meeting place, in case you ever need it." He looked from me to Audrey and back again, then said, "Point taken."

I last talked to Audrey two years later. She, Joe, and Joe's pregnant new wife lived far away from Jessica. Audrey had visitation rights with Brittany and Courtney, but she couldn't take them to Joe's place and she didn't want to see Jessica. They got together at Joe's parents place; Jessica hated that but the divorce judge and Audrey agreed that it was the best choice for her and her sisters. Audrey told me that Jessica had stopped loving Joe years ago, but she hadn't known that. Once it was clear to her that Joe's only hope was to divorce Jessica, she'd used an attorney's offer of a free consultation to get an idea how much child support Joe would have to pay. Soon she and Joe left and he got a legal separation. She readjusted his hormone levels and as soon as she saw that was helping him, she told him about the sperm bank. I'd been right; she was her father's only hope and she'd given him a second chance at happiness. She couldn't have helped him without the help I'd given her, and she thanked me for my help and understanding.

I told Audrey that I wasn't just paid to do castrations. The state wanted good outcomes and they used an incentive pay system to get them. Most of my income came from bonuses for good outcomes, and what she'd told me was going to result in another nice bonus for me. I'd helped her because I'd liked her the best of anyone in the family, and I'd learned to trust my instincts about that. Helping the person I liked best had earned me much larger bonuses than helping the person whom I thought most deserved help.

I asked Audrey if there was any problem of sexual jealousy between her and Joe's new wife. No, she'd told Joe that he needed to find a new wife so she could start having sex with boys her own age. When the right time came, switching partners was easy for both of them.